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Topic: MS Expression Web
User: adethebuilder (view profile)4 Oct 2008 - 07:16
I have been using a (licensed) copy of date Selector for several months quite happily at http://www.baconandeggs.co.uk/reservations.htm I am just changing from using FrontPage to MS Expression Web and as soon as I made a modification to the page with the date picker on it has stopped working. Expression web did /does want me to make some syntax changes (such as script not SCRIPT). I have tried ignoring the need to change and following it. No change.  Any ideas please?

User: adethebuilder (view profile)5 Oct 2008 - 18:31
Update. I have managed to get the date picker to work again by reverting to a plain HTML page at the link shown previously although it does not display as it used to – the bottom section now appears transparent.  However, this is still only half-way to a solution because I am converting my web site (and all the others I host) to XHTML 1.0 Transitional. The page I need to work is  http://www.baconandeggs.co.uk/The_Firs_B&B/bookings/make_reservation.htm and on this page the date picker will not display at all. Is it compatible? Any suggestions gratefully received.

Thanks
Adrian
Imagekings Ltd

User: Julian (view profile)6 Oct 2008 - 09:54
Firstly MS Expression Web - I have not used this program but if it is reformatting script (not just HTML) it will very probably break any existing JavaScript/ASP/PHP code in pages. Whitespace in such code is critcial and any reformatting by any program is bad news - it should be disabled or problems will occur.

Secondly XHTML, I have just changed the "HTML 4.0 Transitional" doctype to "XHTML 1.0 Transitional" in our example.htm file supplied with the Date Selector; the page displays fine and I believe that Date Selector is XHTML compatible. You can view this page at http://software.future-shock.net/html/DSxhtml.htm; the doctype I have used is:

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">

Your link to http://www.baconandeggs.co.uk/The_Firs_B&B/bookings/make_reservation.htm is not working so I cannot comment further on the exact problem with your page.

User: adethebuilder (view profile)6 Oct 2008 - 10:33
MS Expression Web is the new industry-standard software for writing W3C compliant webs from MS - I think itis very good and I am sure a lot of your future/existing customers will use it. It does not change any code on its own - it just points out syntax or old tags which are not compliant. I have used PHP/java etc  extensively with it.
I forgot the "L"at the end of the link. Try http://www.baconandeggs.co.uk/The_Firs_B&B/bookings/make_reservation.html

many thanks

User: adethebuilder (view profile)6 Oct 2008 - 10:36
Sorry, I am using
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">

User: adethebuilder (view profile)6 Oct 2008 - 15:12
Hi Julian

I hope we can get the date picker to work with the new page but if not; any idea why the format, size & tranparency of the date picker has changed on the original page at http://www.baconandeggs.co.uk/reservations.htm?

User: Julian (view profile)6 Oct 2008 - 15:47
I think the Date Selector is not working in your new XHTML page because the path is incorrect in the script tag:

<script type="text/javascript" language="javascript" src="FutureShockDateSelector/scripts/FSdateSelect.js"></script>

Wil be looking for the FSdateSelect.js file in the following location which returns a 404 error when accessed via a web brwoser:

http://www.baconandeggs.co.uk/The_Firs_B&B/bookings/FutureShockDateSelector/scripts/FSdateSelect.js

If that is incorrect then I assume the images path in the Date Selector function calls is also incorrect.

Also I couldn't see any link to the Date Selector CSS file in your page.

User: Julian (view profile)6 Oct 2008 - 15:51
I have just checked http://www.baconandeggs.co.uk/reservations.htm and this page is also missing the link to the Date Selector CSS file (without which the selector will obviously be missing and styling).

Did you acidentally delete the CSS link or was it removed by Expression Web?

User: adethebuilder (view profile)9 Oct 2008 - 10:25
Hi Julian, sorry for the delay - had to go to Africa for three days with 2 hours notice!

I am not sure why the css link was removed - could well have been my mistake. However I have got the original page working again now as follows:

Putting your css link:

<LINK REL="stylesheet" HREF="FutureShockDateSelector/styles/FSdateSelect.css" type="text/css">

back as instructed made no difference. I then tried using the “adding a style sheet” to the page option from expression web which put the line in as follows:

<link href="FutureShockDateSelector/styles/FSdateSelect.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css">

Interestingly the 2nd option was coloured correctly the 1st was not. Perhaps the permissible syntax has changed?

Anyway, the original page is now working and I am sure it is now just a matter of sorting out the paths to the new page (paths changed to make the page W3C compliant). I shall report back!

Thanks again for your excellent help.


User: adethebuilder (view profile)9 Oct 2008 - 11:40
Hi Julian
My new page is now working fine! I had to use the “insert css file” option again but it now works perfectly.
It might be worth a note for Expression Web users about the syntax of the css ref?  Perhaps a note as well about the need to have all the files in the same folder as the page where the date picker is located?

Once again many thanks.


User: Julian (view profile)10 Oct 2008 - 09:42
The syntax of the CSS link has not changed, it is just that Expression Web is insisting that it all be lower-case as per the requirements of XHTML (and indeed the XML specification itself). I would have assumed that Expression would automatically change any code that you input to make it lower-case, otherwise you will very easilly break any page if you (or another webmaster) edits the HTML source directly.

As for having all the files located in the same folder as the date picker page, that seems rather ludicrous (it makes the file/folder structure organisation and maintainace a nightmare - you could easilly end up with hundreds of files in the same folder). Are you sure Expression can not handle putting stuff in different folders?

I don't mean to disprespect Microsoft product, I did glance at it when it was first released (it looked like a professional web editor, though it crashed all over the place for me). Whether it can be described as industry standard is questionable - Dreamweaver holds that title as a established product, though many professional webmasters will insist on hand-editing code in a text-editor. Expression, though not a new product (it evolved from Front Page) has yet to prove it's calibre. If it lacks the features you have outlined above, then I have serious doubts that it will become industry standard amongst professionals in its current state.

User: adethebuilder (view profile)10 Oct 2008 - 10:23
Hi Julian

This is the 2nd version of Expression web released only a month or so ago and seems to be getting very favourable revues (interestingly a lot saying it was easier to use and in some cases more capable than Dreamweaver) which is why I went for it – coupled with the fact that it will support web sites made using Front Page (I have 30 or so which I am converting) but will not allow you to insert any new FrontPage components. I have found it very user friendly now and have not had any crashes. All new code that you enter is put into the correct format it is only when you modify the type of an existing page that it highlights the errors for you to correct.

The requirement to have all pages in a structure format is nothing to do with Expression it is a search engine (Google) favoured option. You can have files anywhere you want. What caused me the problem was that I put my new booking page in http://www.baconandeggs.co.uk/The_Firs_B&B/Bookings/ but left all the FutureShock files in the base directory http://www.baconandeggs.co.uk and your code did not find it. That was what I meant by a note about where the files should be.

Thanks again


User: Julian (view profile)10 Oct 2008 - 10:50
Thanks for the update and the clarification on new release of Expression Web; I'll check it out when I find a bit of spare time. Although our company hand-edits all web code, it is obviously important for us to be aware of the abilities of all major web editing software in popular usage.

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